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I think he's the best of the retreads. Gonna assume ownership stuck him with Sutter, which ended up costing the organization Tkachuk and the playoffs in 2023.

But he'll need to push back against Shanny and the board, so it's outta the frying pan and into the fire.

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Yeah if he thought Calgary was an unforgiving market...he's out of the frying pan and into the oven. It doesn't get any worse than Toronto and the circumstances currently there. Hope they made it worth his while!

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I'm not necessarily going to hold the whole Tkachuk trade thing against him--his back was up against the wall and he parlayed a deal that looked really good on paper at the time--but there's a lot of bad stuff on his resume as GM. Even at the time I thought him signing Markstrom was going to blow up in his face, and it did so in even more spectacular fashion than I could've predicted.

We'll see what he does, though we now know that he will not have full autonomy. In fact he will likely have less than the previous guy did.

Markstrom is a year removed from being a Vezina nominee, so I think there's time for a comeback. I always liked his game.

Lots of talk from Calgary media that the Flames were pretty cheap organizationally, and Treliving didn't have the kind of stats, scouting and cap experts other teams have. Really just felt like a Cult of Sutter type place.

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Toronto had a terrible first day of free agency.

They gave 36 year old Ryan Reaves a three year deal, then signed the worst defensive defenceman in hockey John Klingberg.

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Treliving busy doing the exact same things that sank him in Calgary. You get what you asked for, Shanny.

So you don't like the Leafs moves in free agency? They got a very little bit better offensively, but even worse defensively, which they sorely need.

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I keep reading Nylander to the Isles rumor with the Isles return offer being Pageau and Wahlstrom. Leafs are supposedly asking for Dobson. Dobson would help the Leafs a ton. Isles would be screwed without him. Pageau would help the Leafs on the D side of the puck (and again would kinda screw the Isles). Wahlstrom would be great if he can learn the game. Skills and size with the hockey IQ of a potato.

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Absolutely not. Reaves is not an NHL player anymore, and Klingberg is basically a power play specialist. Both are gigantic liabilities anytime they're on the ice.

The team is worse now than it was at the end of their season.

Poke, I agree with your assessment, but do you think teams will now take less liberties against the core 4 ( assuming they are all here come the fall) with Reaves here?

That was always the issue come playoff time. And yes, I get it that he may be on the ice 8-10 minutes a game.

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Poke, I agree with your assessment, but do you think teams will now take less liberties against the core 4 ( assuming they are all here come the fall) with Reaves here?

That was always the issue come playoff time. And yes, I get it that he will probably max. be on the ice 8-10 minutes a game.

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No, the whole “deterrent” thing is a complete and total myth and always has been. If anything, a team that goons it up is merely escalating the potential for violence and resulting injury, not preventing it.

The only discernible advantage to having a goon in house is that the players FEEL more protected, more emboldened, more confident that they won’t be messed with. So I’m not entirely opposed to using a roster spot and cap space on a guy like that but not at that AAV and term.

Guess we’ll see what happens but Treliving was all about grit and toughness in Calgary, it more or less resulted in a mediocre team with a really messy cap situation.

The meatheads who always throw the dangerous, injury-causing hits aren't stopped by having a tough guy on the ice. They are often on the ice when it happens(Lucic). It's a complete myth that they're a deterrent from dirty hits.

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Yep.

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Leafs put Murray on the LTIR. Josh Bailey was seen leaving the Toronto area, texting the following: Hey JT91, it's Josh, I mean, JB12, on a burner phone. Murray to LTIR is taken care of. Tonya Harding and Jeff Gilooly are really nice and did it pretty cheap. I basically got a secondary assist! Now is there room on the roster for me?"

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BTW, one big reason why goons are almost completely ineffective now (as opposed to before when they were only mildly effective) is that they're too fucking slow. Reaves was not fast before, he's a GD glacier now, and the NHL has only gotten faster the last 20 or so years.

Everyone wants their own version of Tom Wilson without first realizing that the one thing Wilson has going for him is that he's an effective skater for a man his size. Say what you will about the guy but he's at least able to keep up with the pace of the game.

One of the reasons I hate Wilson so much is that he doesn't need to be dirty. He's a huge guy with a shitload of skill and as you said, he's an above average skater. He should just concentrate on being a 1st liner instead of head hunting all the time. He's too good for being an agitator. As his speed and hands diminish he's going to be an even bigger scumbag. I fully expect more hits from behind, etc.

But yeah, the game has sped up so much in the last 20 years. I always roll my eyes when people say the talent pool is too diluted due to all the teams, and that the level of play was much higher like 50 years ago. The game is so much faster now, and stickhandling and shooting are miles ahead of what they were, minus some outliers like Bobby Hull's shot.

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Treliving gets AM his contract: 4 years, 13.25M

He's the best 5v5 scorer in the league and it's not even all that close.

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Yeah but $13.25M on a team that's already in a cap crunch? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they only roster 21 for as many days as possible to save cap space. If there's a player who can play F and D in a serviceable way (ala Bill Berg) the Leafs will get him, and with good reason.

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Don't know if its in a serviceable way since he's played one game since 19-20, but Luke Witkowski dropped the mitts too!

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